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		<title>Nokia (Yet Again) Chosen as &#8220;Best Web Page in Finland&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last February I wrote about Nokia&#8217;s site chosen as &#8220;Best Web Page in Finland&#8220;. I was skeptical then and I&#8217;m skeptical now as the same media, Digitoday, publishes almost the same piece of news. Except that the company who did the research is different. (Article from other source in English) At march it was Webmark [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last February<a href="http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2009/03/nokias-site-chosen-as-best-in-finland/" rel="nofollow" > I wrote about Nokia&#8217;s site chosen as &#8220;Best Web Page in Finland</a>&#8220;.</p>
<p>I was <strong>skeptical </strong>then and<strong> I&#8217;m skeptical now</strong> as the same media, <a href="http://www.digitoday.fi" rel="nofollow" >Digitoday</a>, publishes <a href="http://www.digitoday.fi/bisnes/2009/08/25/tutkimus-nokian-verkkosivuilla-kelpaa-surffata/200918736/66" rel="nofollow" >almost the same piece of news.</a> Except that the company who did the research is different.<br />
(<a href="http://www.swbusiness.fi/portal/news/news_from_software_business_cluster/all_news/?id=25175&amp;area=16" rel="nofollow" >Article from other source in English</a>)</p>
<p>At march it was <a href="http://www.webmark.fi/" rel="nofollow" >Webmark </a>who did the research, now it&#8217;s <a href="http://www.bluewhitepartners.com/" rel="nofollow" >Blue White Partners</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Anyhoo.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.digitoday.fi/bisnes/2009/08/25/tutkimus-nokian-verkkosivuilla-kelpaa-surffata/200918736/66" rel="nofollow" >Article </a>(in Finnish) claims that &#8220;Blue White Partners went through over thousand Finnish corporate web sites evaluating their<strong> marketing efficiency</strong>&#8220;. Jolly good.</p>
<p><strong>Marketing efficiency? </strong><br />
<strong>Over thousand corporate web sites?</strong></p>
<p>Hmm.</p>
<p>Well, as I last time learned,<strong> our journalists can be quite busy sometimes</strong>. So off to BW Partners we go to find the press release!<br />
<a href="http://www.bluewhitepartners.com/bw_webscore_elo09.pdf" rel="nofollow" >And yes, there it is ( press release as .pdf)</a></p>
<p><strong>Whee, this is nice. </strong><br />
According to press release,  methodology of the said research is based on &#8220;<strong>an average efficiency to attract visitors and turn them into customers, based on hundreds of thousands web sites evaluated</strong>&#8220;.</p>
<p><strong>Errm, what? </strong></p>
<p>And how the hell does one measure that?<br />
And hundreds of thousands web sites evaluated?</p>
<p><strong>Hmm.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Hey, there&#8217;s even more!</strong><br />
Again the Press Release states that &#8220;the average Blue White Score for Finnish Companies&#8221; (sic!) &#8221; is  42, still below the international average of 50&#8243;. Now, <a href="http://www.nokia.fi" rel="nofollow" >Nokia</a>, the front-seat student of all Finnish web sites, scores 99,8 and release states &#8220;<strong>which means that only 0,2 % of companies worldwide have as good or better web site as Nokia</strong>&#8220;.</p>
<p><strong>Phee.</strong></p>
<p>It seems that the rating goes from 0 to 100, 0 being the lowest score and 100 the highest.<strong> </strong>100 obviously means <strong>&#8220;The Best&#8221;,</strong> there is no better and 0 that <strong>there is no worse site</strong>. (Please do correct me about the rating  if I&#8217;m wrong)<strong><br />
</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.bluewhitepartners.com/top100_aug09/" rel="nofollow" >The top-100 list for Finnish companies can be viewed at BW Partners Web site.</a> <strong>All sites, listed in order of ranking,</strong> followed by score and change since the last evaluation.<br />
(Small side note: depending on source about 8 % of (Finnish) men are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-green_color_blindness" rel="nofollow" >red-green colour blind</a>. If someone wants to indicate something, let&#8217;s take change, with colours, do use some other colours than red and green. Or better, <strong>don&#8217;t use colours alone</strong>, use something else. Like a<strong> minus-sign</strong> in front of negative changes?)</p>
<p><strong>Anyhow, forward.</strong></p>
<p>What&#8217;s nice is that <strong>I can purchase the evaluation report for only 295 eur!</strong></p>
<p><strong>Pretty cheap, isn&#8217;t it?</strong></p>
<h2>Conclusion and remarks</h2>
<p>As such the evaluation portrayed here is <strong>worthless (at least to me)</strong>. I don&#8217;t know the methodology,  I don&#8217;t know the sample and so on.</p>
<p>Perhaps they&#8217;ll tell in the 295eur-report the <strong>following facts left missing </strong>in the press release and articles:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Exact size of the sample</strong> (&#8220;over thousand&#8221; is not that exact, you know. 1001 is over thousand, isn&#8217;t it?)</li>
<li><strong>Methods of evaluation</strong> (&#8220;average efficiency to attract visitors &#8221; and so forth is not that convincing)</li>
<li><strong>Sites Sampled</strong> (&#8220;over thousand Finnish corporate web sites&#8221; doesn&#8217;t tell that much.)</li>
<li><strong>Pages Sampled from every site</strong> or <strong>the algorithm for selecting the sample</strong> (did they evaluate only the front page or what? Did they start from the root and continue to leafs?)</li>
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<p>Most likely the evaluation will be covered heavily by Finnish media, which is somehow sad.</p>
<p>Still waiting for the first proper &#8220;Best Web Site in Finland&#8221; evaluation.<br />
<strong>I&#8217;m not holding my breath, though.</strong></p>
<p>(<strong>Usual disclaimers apply</strong>; I <strong>do </strong>realize that evaluation methodology can be a trade secret, as well as other data. I <strong>also </strong>realize that business is business and everyone must make a living. )</p>
<p>[Edit 15.45,<a href="http://www.arcticstartup.com/2009/02/04/how-good-is-your-startup-visibility/" rel="nofollow" > Arctic Startup has written about the first evaluation done by BW Partners.</a> According to linked article the evaluation score is "is made by investigating content semantics, language, search engine rank and index, and presence in social media."]</p>
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		<title>What Irks Me About &#8220;Miehen treenikirja&#8221; (or what I personally believe sells good content)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ilkka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr Alexander Stubb, the Finnish foreign minister, published a book about physical training and keeping oneself fit (&#8220;Miehen treenikirja&#8220;). Mr Stubb is an enthusiastic runner, skier, duathlonist, triathlonist and so on as well as a top-level politician. Well, fine. Great. I do think that it&#8217;s great that a politician does something else than sits at [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.alexstubb.com/" rel="nofollow" >Mr Alexander Stubb</a>, the Finnish foreign minister, <a href="http://www.alexstubb.com/fi/blog/1428/" rel="nofollow" >published a book</a> about physical training and keeping oneself fit (&#8220;<strong>Miehen treenikirja</strong>&#8220;).</p>
<p>Mr Stubb is an enthusiastic runner, skier, duathlonist, triathlonist and so on as well as a top-level politician.</p>
<p><strong>Well, fine. Great.</strong></p>
<p>I do think that it&#8217;s great that a politician does something else than sits at meetings, too.</p>
<p>Now, the book, <a href="http://www.otava.fi/kirjat/tieto/2009/fi_FI/miehen_treenikirja/" rel="nofollow" >&#8220;Miehen treenikirja&#8221;</a> (with Ilkka Järvimäki).<br />
A book &#8220;that motivates a man to move and take care of both physical and mental well-being&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>Yes, I&#8217;m tempted to buy it.</strong> Really tempted.</p>
<p><strong>But.</strong></p>
<p>What irks me is the price. 36,40 eur for a paperback, only 157 pages?</p>
<p><strong>36,40?</strong></p>
<p>What irks me more is <a href="http://80.248.163.23/suoramyynti/servlets/SaleSiteServlet?action=select&amp;siteId=Otava&amp;ISBN=9789511236733" rel="nofollow" >the web shop for the book</a>. Done with frames, no proper titles for pages etc.</p>
<p>Again I say it: <strong>this is 2009 for god&#8217;s sake</strong>! <strong>If you want to sell something, stick to what you know how to do!</strong><br />
Don&#8217;t use frames (<strong>unless you know how to use them</strong>!), don&#8217;t use flash for content (unless you&#8217;re making a game/superfancy fashion site (or something like that) and <strong>know how to use it</strong>!)</p>
<p><strong>Think about the price, set it to something that sells. </strong>(Well, I think Mr Stubb is going to sell his book whatever the price is, so no worries. I personally won&#8217;t buy it at this price but then again, I&#8217;m a cheap bastard.)</p>
<p>Try something new, <a href="http://droidmaker.blogspot.com/2009/06/droidmaker-book-now-downloadable-free.html" rel="nofollow" >like the author of &#8220;Droid Maker&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>Miehen treenikirja has the <strong>content </strong>I want but it certainly hasn&#8217;t got the <strong>means </strong>to sell it to me.</p>
<p><strong>Well, it&#8217;s good we still have the public libraries in Finland;) </strong></p>
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		<title>Be Your Own Annoyance (on Facebook Quizzes)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Facebook has it&#8217;s own ups and downs, including sometimes funny and (most of the time)  really annoying quizzes. I don&#8217;t know if the quizzes in Finnish are more annoying than the ones in English, still annoying. And know what? I take those quizzes. I don&#8217;t know why. I hate them. The Finnish ones are full [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook has it&#8217;s own ups and downs, including sometimes funny and (most of the time)  really annoying quizzes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the quizzes in Finnish are more annoying than the ones in English, still annoying.</p>
<p>And know what?</p>
<p><strong>I take </strong>those quizzes. <strong>I don&#8217;t know why</strong>. <strong>I hate them.</strong></p>
<p>The Finnish ones are full of spelling mistakes (yhdys sana for example).<br />
Results all either<strong> fucked up</strong> or just<strong> plain stupid</strong>.</p>
<p>And know what?</p>
<p><strong>I still take them.</strong></p>
<p>Because <strong>it&#8217;s so thrilling to see</strong> if I&#8217;m &#8220;a True Finn&#8221; or wheter my co-worker does the same things I do this summer. Or is my political view what I believe it to be?</p>
<p>Or the quizz about my military rank? <strong>What&#8217;s with it?</strong> My rank is what my rank is &#8211; and I certainly know what it is.</p>
<h3>Be Your Own Annoyance</h3>
<p>And you know what? I won&#8217;t complain more, <strong>I&#8217;ll just do a quiz of my own</strong>.</p>
<p>It seems, according to small empirical test, that the hip app for quizz -making is &#8220;<a href="http://www.appdata.com/facebook/apps/index/id/8525382561" rel="nofollow" >Make Your Own Quizz</a>&#8221; (link leads to Inside Facebook&#8217;s app-page). According to app itself:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Making a Quiz has never been easier! Making a Facebook app has never been so fast! Make your own quizzes and turn them into your own real Facebook applications!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Jolly good.</strong></p>
<p>Ok, Iäll just go to app  at FB and <strong>make a quiz.</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242557076151.png"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-372" title="make a quiz-application on facebook" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242557076151-300x191.png" alt="make a quiz-application on facebook" width="300" height="191" /></a></strong></p>
<p>Above is a screenshot about the first page, fugly highlights by me. First highlight is the <strong>language</strong> &#8211; I want my quizz to be in Finnish. Second <strong>one is picture, </strong>it actually says &#8220;<em>This is very important! It will make your quiz more popular!</em>&#8220;.</p>
<p>So, I have to have a picture.</p>
<p>I chose one about stairs at Pispala and named my quiz to &#8220;Kuinka korkealle pääset Pispalan portaissa&#8221; (how high can you reach?).</p>
<p>Next page was about <strong>the results</strong>, screen grab below:</p>
<div id="attachment_373" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242559451975.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-373" title="make-a-quiz-on-facebook  results page" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242559451975-300x191.png" alt="Make A Quiz on Facebook, results page." width="300" height="191" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Make A Quiz on Facebook, results page.</p></div>
<p>Typed some results, put on some images.</p>
<p>My images, however, <strong>were too big. </strong>The &#8220;useful&#8221; error message stated &#8220;<em><a href="http://208.85.146.37/?target=create2#lidCreateStep2FormContent8" rel="nofollow" class="formanchor" onclick="javascript:getElementById('idCreateStep2FormContent8').focus();" >2M</a>The uploaded file exceeds the maximum file size of %1 bytes.</em>&#8220;. Perhaps someone should&#8217;ve told about the file size limit earlier?</p>
<p>Anyhoo, downsized the pics manually, tried to upload them.</p>
<p><strong>Kaboom</strong>!</p>
<p><strong>Everything gone.</strong></p>
<p>Oh well, another try, luckily not from scratch.</p>
<p>Then the actual<strong> questions!</strong></p>
<p>I just basically <strong>make something up</strong> as everyone does.</p>
<div id="attachment_374" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242563941633.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-374" title="make-a-quiz-on-facebook - questions page" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242563941633-300x191.png" alt="Make A Quiz On Facebook - questions page" width="300" height="191" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Make A Quiz On Facebook - questions page</p></div>
<p>After setting up the questions, <strong>a new app for the quiz:</strong></p>
<div id="attachment_375" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242566045005.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-375" title="make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242566045005" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242566045005-300x191.png" alt="Setting up the application for my Quiz" width="300" height="191" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Setting up the application for my Quiz</p></div>
<p>And voila, there it is (after just one step &#8211; I won&#8217;t paste that here).</p>
<p>My own little quiz, whee. (Find it out for yourselves if you fancy).</p>
<h3>Conclusions and pondering</h3>
<ul>
<li>Making ones own quiz<strong> isn&#8217;t that hard</strong>. That&#8217;s certainly the reason for all the annoying quizzes!</li>
<li><strong>Result (of the quiz) can be something totally different </strong>than the maker intended as the answers and outcomes are connected in my opinion in somehow awkward way.</li>
<li>Quizzes can be used to <strong>influence people</strong> and their <strong>opinions</strong></li>
<li>Quizzes can be used as <strong>part of marketing</strong></li>
</ul>
<p>All in all, quizzes are here to stay (although really, really annoying), so <strong>why not use them</strong>?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote shortly about Valio and it&#8217;s Gefilus-pages some time ago. What has happened since? I wrote a short e-mail to Valio Consumer Services about the Gefilus and SEO, linking to these pages. Short and polite reply came pretty quickly, stating that they will deliver the feedback to developers of the site. And now? What [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote shortly about <a href="http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2009/03/gefilus-valio-revisited/" rel="nofollow" >Valio and it&#8217;s Gefilus-pages </a>some time ago.</p>
<p><strong>What has happened since?</strong></p>
<p>I wrote a <strong>short e-mail to Valio Consumer Services</strong> about the Gefilus and SEO, linking to these pages. Short and polite reply came pretty quickly, stating that they will deliver the feedback to developers of the site.</p>
<p><strong>And now?</strong></p>
<p>What was earlier like <strong>this</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Sivusto vaatii toimiakseen selaimen joka tukee freimejä. Ole hyvä ja päivitä selaimesi.</p></blockquote>
<p>Looks now like<strong> this</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Gefilus</em> &#8211; Vahvistaa vastustuskykyä. Sopii kaiken ikäisille</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>What can I say?</strong></p>
<p>Now the &lt;noframes&gt; -element even has a nice little link to some other site (which sadly is the same Flash-based site as Gefilus.fi).</p>
<p><strong>Power of feedback is remarkable, I&#8217;d say.</strong></p>
<p><strong>And why did I do this,</strong> someone asks?<br />
No-one paid me any money. Pro bono. Free. <strong>Kansalaistoimintaa</strong>.</p>
<p>I might have just as well done nothing. Or just <strong>laughed</strong> my tiny ass off.</p>
<p><strong>I didn&#8217;t.</strong> Now the problem is somehow fixed.</p>
<p>What else?</p>
<p>At the original posting I wondered who on earth makes only Flash-based sites with no proper content for search engines. <strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>Well, who makes them?</strong></p>
<p>The link at &lt;noframes&gt;-element leads to <a href="http://vapaatila.net/" rel="nofollow" >Vapaatila.net</a>, or actually <a href="http://www.sek.fi" rel="nofollow" >SEK&amp;Grey</a>, <strong>Finland&#8217;s biggest ad agency</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>Sic.</strong></p>
<p><strong>You might as well draw your own conclusions</strong> about SEK&amp;Grey&#8217;s own website (Flash, Whoo-hoo!), source code below:</p>
<blockquote>
<pre id="line20">&lt;<span class="start-tag">noscript</span>&gt;
&lt;object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=9,0,0,0" name="sek" width="100%" height="100%" align="middle" id="sek"&gt;
  &lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="sameDomain" /&gt;
  &lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="false" /&gt;
  &lt;param name="movie" value="sek.swf" /&gt;

  &lt;param name="bgcolor" value="#ffffff" /&gt;
  &lt;embed src="sek.swf" scale="exactfit" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="100%" height="100%" name="sek" align="middle" allowscriptaccess="sameDomain" allowfullscreen="false" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" /&gt;
&lt;/object&gt;
&lt;/<span class="end-tag">noscript</span>&gt;</pre>
<p><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME~1/JRJEST~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg" alt="" /></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>I rest my case.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Anyhoo, I&#8217;m glad that Gefilus is somehow better;)</strong></p>
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		<title>Budget Sport viral marketing</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 10:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ilkka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I spotted some viral marketing for Budget Sport, a finnish sports dealer,  at Suomi24.fi (perhaps the biggest Finnish web discussion board). (See the screen capture below) Hmm, well, interesting. Image only shows at sports -related discussions. I didn&#8217;t know this was possible at Suomi24, obviously is. Just makes one wonder how finely targeted such campaigns [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spotted some <strong>viral marketing</strong> for <a href="http://www.budgetsport.fi" rel="nofollow" >Budget Sport</a>, a finnish sports dealer,  at <a href="http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/" rel="nofollow" >Suomi24.fi</a> (perhaps the biggest Finnish web discussion board).<br />
(See the screen capture below)</p>
<div id="attachment_357" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/rullaluistelu-suomi24-keskustelu_1241690238655.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-357" title="Suomi24 -discussion with Budget Sport viral marketing." src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/rullaluistelu-suomi24-keskustelu_1241690238655-300x274.png" alt="Budget Sport background image" width="300" height="274" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Budget Sport background image at Suomi24.fi</p></div>
<p>Hmm, well,<strong> interesting</strong>.</p>
<p>Image only shows at <a href="http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/show.fcgi?category=109" rel="nofollow" >sports -related discussions</a>. I didn&#8217;t know this was possible at <a href="http://www.suomi24.fi" rel="nofollow" >Suomi24</a>, obviously is.<br />
Just makes one wonder how<strong> finely targeted such campaigns one could do.</strong>.. (And what does it cost!)</p>
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