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		<title>What Happens When You Win at Elections</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ilkka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens when you&#8217;re 27, woman, and get elected to European Parliament? This: Yeah, yeah, I admit, I didn&#8217;t know who Riikka Manner is and wanted to see what she looks like and what did she have to say. (Based on the screenshot I wasn&#8217;t the only one;).) Perhaps tomorrow. Congrats for all elected and [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens when you&#8217;re <strong>27</strong>, <strong>woman</strong>, and get elected to <a href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/" rel="nofollow" ><strong>European Parliament</strong></a>?</p>
<p><strong>This</strong>:</p>
<div id="attachment_416" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/riikka-manner-offline_1244404195597.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-416" title="riikka-manner-offline_1244404195597" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/riikka-manner-offline_1244404195597-300x182.png" alt="Riikka Manner - Offline (&quot;Due to high load pages are temporarily unavailable&quot;)" width="300" height="182" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Riikka Manner - Offline (&quot;Due to high load pages are temporarily unavailable&quot;)</p></div>
<p>Yeah, yeah, I admit, I didn&#8217;t know who <a href="http://www.riikkamanner.com" rel="nofollow" >Riikka Manner</a> is and wanted to see what she <strong>looks like</strong> and <strong>what did she have to say</strong>. (Based on the screenshot I wasn&#8217;t the only one;).)</p>
<p>Perhaps <strong>tomorrow</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>Congrats </strong>for all elected and for all not elected, too.</p>
<p><strong><em>Update 1: </em></strong>about minute later, 22.59: now the site works again. Pretty swift action, have to say</p>
<p><strong><em>Update 2: </em></strong>about minute after the last update, 23.00: site has been diminished into single front page picture. (See below):</p>
<p><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/riikka-manner_1244404833966.png"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-420" title="riikka-manner_1244404833966" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/riikka-manner_1244404833966-300x182.png" alt="riikka-manner_1244404833966" width="300" height="182" /></a></p>
<p>And yes, <a href="http://www.aamulehti.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/tuntematon-riikka-manner-imuroi-itasuomalaisten-aanet/145815" rel="nofollow" >I did find some information about Riikka (Aamulehti)</a>.</p>
<p><em><strong>Update 3</strong></em>:  Monday morning and everything works at Riikka&#8217;s site.</p>
<div id="attachment_424" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/riikka-manner_1244445719024.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-424" title="riikka-manner_1244445719024" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/riikka-manner_1244445719024-300x149.png" alt="Riikka Manner's site as it's supposed to be." width="300" height="149" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Riikka Manner&#39;s site as it&#39;s supposed to be.</p></div>
<p>Just makes one wonder <strong>what did they do at Riikka&#8217;s ISP and tehcnical side?</strong> It may be that site is based on <a href="http://www.joomla.org/" rel="nofollow" >Joomla</a>, or at least the ad agency behind Riikka&#8217;s pages sells solutions based on Joomla (see the site footer for agency address and name, I won&#8217;t post them here).</p>
<p><strong>Oh well, it works.</strong></p>
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		<title>Be Your Own Annoyance (on Facebook Quizzes)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ilkka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Facebook has it&#8217;s own ups and downs, including sometimes funny and (most of the time)  really annoying quizzes. I don&#8217;t know if the quizzes in Finnish are more annoying than the ones in English, still annoying. And know what? I take those quizzes. I don&#8217;t know why. I hate them. The Finnish ones are full [...]
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<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2008/07/facebook-ads-part-n/' rel='bookmark' title='Facebook ads, part n.'>Facebook ads, part n.</a></li>
<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2008/07/so-i-took-the-survey/' rel='bookmark' title='So I Took the Survey.'>So I Took the Survey.</a></li>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook has it&#8217;s own ups and downs, including sometimes funny and (most of the time)  really annoying quizzes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the quizzes in Finnish are more annoying than the ones in English, still annoying.</p>
<p>And know what?</p>
<p><strong>I take </strong>those quizzes. <strong>I don&#8217;t know why</strong>. <strong>I hate them.</strong></p>
<p>The Finnish ones are full of spelling mistakes (yhdys sana for example).<br />
Results all either<strong> fucked up</strong> or just<strong> plain stupid</strong>.</p>
<p>And know what?</p>
<p><strong>I still take them.</strong></p>
<p>Because <strong>it&#8217;s so thrilling to see</strong> if I&#8217;m &#8220;a True Finn&#8221; or wheter my co-worker does the same things I do this summer. Or is my political view what I believe it to be?</p>
<p>Or the quizz about my military rank? <strong>What&#8217;s with it?</strong> My rank is what my rank is &#8211; and I certainly know what it is.</p>
<h3>Be Your Own Annoyance</h3>
<p>And you know what? I won&#8217;t complain more, <strong>I&#8217;ll just do a quiz of my own</strong>.</p>
<p>It seems, according to small empirical test, that the hip app for quizz -making is &#8220;<a href="http://www.appdata.com/facebook/apps/index/id/8525382561" rel="nofollow" >Make Your Own Quizz</a>&#8221; (link leads to Inside Facebook&#8217;s app-page). According to app itself:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Making a Quiz has never been easier! Making a Facebook app has never been so fast! Make your own quizzes and turn them into your own real Facebook applications!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Jolly good.</strong></p>
<p>Ok, Iäll just go to app  at FB and <strong>make a quiz.</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242557076151.png"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-372" title="make a quiz-application on facebook" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242557076151-300x191.png" alt="make a quiz-application on facebook" width="300" height="191" /></a></strong></p>
<p>Above is a screenshot about the first page, fugly highlights by me. First highlight is the <strong>language</strong> &#8211; I want my quizz to be in Finnish. Second <strong>one is picture, </strong>it actually says &#8220;<em>This is very important! It will make your quiz more popular!</em>&#8220;.</p>
<p>So, I have to have a picture.</p>
<p>I chose one about stairs at Pispala and named my quiz to &#8220;Kuinka korkealle pääset Pispalan portaissa&#8221; (how high can you reach?).</p>
<p>Next page was about <strong>the results</strong>, screen grab below:</p>
<div id="attachment_373" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242559451975.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-373" title="make-a-quiz-on-facebook  results page" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242559451975-300x191.png" alt="Make A Quiz on Facebook, results page." width="300" height="191" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Make A Quiz on Facebook, results page.</p></div>
<p>Typed some results, put on some images.</p>
<p>My images, however, <strong>were too big. </strong>The &#8220;useful&#8221; error message stated &#8220;<em><a href="http://208.85.146.37/?target=create2#lidCreateStep2FormContent8" rel="nofollow" class="formanchor" onclick="javascript:getElementById('idCreateStep2FormContent8').focus();" >2M</a>The uploaded file exceeds the maximum file size of %1 bytes.</em>&#8220;. Perhaps someone should&#8217;ve told about the file size limit earlier?</p>
<p>Anyhoo, downsized the pics manually, tried to upload them.</p>
<p><strong>Kaboom</strong>!</p>
<p><strong>Everything gone.</strong></p>
<p>Oh well, another try, luckily not from scratch.</p>
<p>Then the actual<strong> questions!</strong></p>
<p>I just basically <strong>make something up</strong> as everyone does.</p>
<div id="attachment_374" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242563941633.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-374" title="make-a-quiz-on-facebook - questions page" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242563941633-300x191.png" alt="Make A Quiz On Facebook - questions page" width="300" height="191" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Make A Quiz On Facebook - questions page</p></div>
<p>After setting up the questions, <strong>a new app for the quiz:</strong></p>
<div id="attachment_375" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242566045005.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-375" title="make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242566045005" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/make-a-quiz-on-facebook_1242566045005-300x191.png" alt="Setting up the application for my Quiz" width="300" height="191" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Setting up the application for my Quiz</p></div>
<p>And voila, there it is (after just one step &#8211; I won&#8217;t paste that here).</p>
<p>My own little quiz, whee. (Find it out for yourselves if you fancy).</p>
<h3>Conclusions and pondering</h3>
<ul>
<li>Making ones own quiz<strong> isn&#8217;t that hard</strong>. That&#8217;s certainly the reason for all the annoying quizzes!</li>
<li><strong>Result (of the quiz) can be something totally different </strong>than the maker intended as the answers and outcomes are connected in my opinion in somehow awkward way.</li>
<li>Quizzes can be used to <strong>influence people</strong> and their <strong>opinions</strong></li>
<li>Quizzes can be used as <strong>part of marketing</strong></li>
</ul>
<p>All in all, quizzes are here to stay (although really, really annoying), so <strong>why not use them</strong>?</p>
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<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2008/07/facebook-ads-part-n/' rel='bookmark' title='Facebook ads, part n.'>Facebook ads, part n.</a></li>
<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2008/07/so-i-took-the-survey/' rel='bookmark' title='So I Took the Survey.'>So I Took the Survey.</a></li>
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		<title>Old but Good (Here Comes Another Bubble)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ilkka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although old, hits the bullseye. Related posts: links for 2008-08-14
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<p>Although old, hits the bullseye.</p>
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		<title>Nokia&#8217;s Site Chosen as &#8220;Best In Finland&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ilkka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Update: I was contacted by Webmark about the survey. Read Updates at end of post.] According to various (finnish) sources (Tietoviikko,  Digitoday, Tietokone etc),  Nokia.fi was chosen as &#8220;best web site in Finland, 2008&#8220;. I don&#8217;t even want to begin to conversate about Nokia.fi&#8217;s pros or cons &#8211; I&#8217;ll just focus on how this achievement [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><ins>[Update: I was contacted by Webmark about the survey. Read Updates at end of post.]</ins></p>
<p>According to various (finnish) sources (<a href="http://www.tietoviikko.fi/kaikki_uutiset/article257124.ece?s=r&amp;wtm=tietoviikko/-19032009" rel="nofollow" >Tietoviikko</a>,  <a href="http://www.digitoday.fi/bisnes/2009/03/19/nokialla-jalleen-parhaat-verkkosivut/20097402/66" rel="nofollow" >Digitoday</a>, <a href="http://www.tietokone.fi/uutta/uutinen.asp?news_id=37211" rel="nofollow" >Tietokone</a> etc),  <a href="http://www.nokia.fi" rel="nofollow" >Nokia.fi </a>was chosen as &#8220;<strong>best web site in Finland, 2008</strong>&#8220;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even want to begin to conversate about Nokia.fi&#8217;s <strong>pros or cons</strong> &#8211; I&#8217;ll just focus on how this achievement <strong>was published </strong>in the news.</p>
<p><strong>Well yeah. </strong></p>
<p>I spotted <a href="http://www.digitoday.fi/bisnes/2009/03/19/nokialla-jalleen-parhaat-verkkosivut/20097402/66" rel="nofollow" >the news</a> at <a href="http://www.digitoday.fi" rel="nofollow" >Digitoday</a>. It states that <a href="http://www.webmark.fi" rel="nofollow" >Webmark</a>, &#8220;a company that measures quality of web sites&#8221;,  found Nokia&#8217;s website the best in Finland (according to their evaluation/survey).<br />
Then Digitoday, as well as all other publishers, continues jabbering about survey/evaluation done, which sites made it to Top-10 and so on.</p>
<p><strong>Nice</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>Except that:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>I didn&#8217;t find a single <strong>link </strong>to survey/evaluation made</li>
<li>I didn&#8217;t find a single <strong>line </strong>mentioning <strong>tools </strong>used in the evaluation</li>
<li>I didn&#8217;t find a single <strong>line </strong>mentioning <strong>source </strong>for this bit of news<br />
(Where did it come from (Heaven?)? Was there a press conference (where? when? who was invited?)? Did the company post a press release?)</li>
</ul>
<p>Jolly good.</p>
<p>Now, as I&#8217;m by nature mean, nasty and curious, I googled <a href="http://www.webmark.fi" rel="nofollow" >Webmark</a> first. Found eventually their finnish site. And yes! There it was, the <a href="http://webmark.fi/Webmark_tiedote_200802.pdf" rel="nofollow" >press release</a> about &#8220;Best Site in Finland, 2007&#8243;.</p>
<p><strong>Wait, what?</strong></p>
<p>2007? It should be <strong>2008 </strong>now,  shouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>No press release about year 2008, just 2007.</p>
<p><strong>Nice.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Well, back to Google. </strong><br />
Tried &#8220;<a href="http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&amp;q=webmark+suomen+paras+verkkosivu&amp;btnG=Hae&amp;meta=" rel="nofollow" >webmark suomen paras verkkosivu</a>&#8220;. <strong>No source,</strong> <strong>no press releases</strong> from original source, just different posts with (virtually) same content. (Other queries returned same results, too.)</p>
<p>Back to original post at Digitoday.  CEO&#8217;s of Webmark and Accenture are mentioned, as well as that &#8220;at the same time published research done by Accenture&#8221; &#8211; hey, I&#8217;ll just see Accenture.fi for origins!</p>
<p><strong>Nothing at all</strong> about these things at  <a href="http://www.accenture.com/Countries/Finland/About_Accenture/Newsroom/News_Releases/2009.htm" rel="nofollow" >&#8220;press&#8221; -part</a> of their pages.</p>
<p><strong>Makes one wonder.</strong></p>
<p>Hey guys at Webmark, Accenture, Digitoday and so on, if you read this,<strong> please post</strong> (all or at least one of the following):</p>
<ol>
<li>original press release</li>
<li>origin of this news (if it was published at conference or something, where and when?)</li>
<li>actual evaluation data</li>
<li>methods used at evaluation</li>
</ol>
<p>.. and <strong>then I&#8217;m willing to believe Nokia.fi</strong> is &#8220;the best web site in Finland, 2008&#8243;.</p>
<h3>Update 25.3.2009</h3>
<p><strong>I was contacted by Webmark </strong>about this post and spent interesting times discussing the survey and methods. I also received some additional material, which made some points mentioned above quite clear.</p>
<ol>
<li>Original <strong>press release</strong> was published at the given date at Webmark&#8217;s site, only in the afternoon (<a href="http://webmark.fi/templates/webmark/pdf/Webmark_tiedote_20090319.pdf" rel="nofollow" >read it here, pdf</a>)</li>
<li>Announcement was made at <strong>&#8220;Vuoden verkkosivut 2008&#8243; -conference, 19.3.2009</strong>. <a href="http://www.webmark.fi/vuodenverkkosivut/" rel="nofollow" >(See the program here.</a>)<strong><br />
Why didn&#8217;t I find the link</strong> nor the page? Only mention at Webmark&#8217;s front page about the announcement and conference (symposium?) was a flash -based banner, which got caught in my Adblock (it&#8217;s not a good idea to name banners &#8220;banner&#8221;, you know.). And when it comes to no origin at news about survey, thank our beloved and overworked reporters!</li>
<li><strong>Evaluation data</strong> is not available, but is based on methodology by Mr. <a href="http://www.tol.oulu.fi/~hok/" rel="nofollow" >Harri Oinas-Kukkonen</a> from University of Oulu.</li>
<li>See point 3 and <a href="http://webmark.fi/templates/webmark/pdf/Webmark_tiedote_20090319.pdf" rel="nofollow" >press release.</a></li>
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<p>(Bit more later&#8230;)</p>
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<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2009/08/nokia-yet-again-chosen-as-best-web-page-in-finland/' rel='bookmark' title='Nokia (Yet Again) Chosen as &#8220;Best Web Page in Finland&#8221;'>Nokia (Yet Again) Chosen as &#8220;Best Web Page in Finland&#8221;</a></li>
<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2008/07/so-i-took-the-survey/' rel='bookmark' title='So I Took the Survey.'>So I Took the Survey.</a></li>
<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2009/05/links-for-2009-05-04/' rel='bookmark' title='links for 2009-05-04'>links for 2009-05-04</a></li>
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		<title>Gefilus (Valio revisited)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote a short post about Valio.fi some time ago. In the aftermath I got distracted and Googled Valio (people do strange thing when trying to work). When going through the results something caught my eye, Gefilus. Google result looks like this: Valio Sivusto vaatii toimiakseen selaimen joka tukee freimejä. Ole hyvä ja päivitä selaimesi. [...]
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<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2009/05/the-power-of-feedback-gefilus-once-again/' rel='bookmark' title='The Power of Feedback (Gefilus, once again)'>The Power of Feedback (Gefilus, once again)</a></li>
<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2009/03/valiofi-anna-elaman-maistua/' rel='bookmark' title='Valio.fi &#8211; anna elämän maistua.'>Valio.fi &#8211; anna elämän maistua.</a></li>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2009/03/valiofi-anna-elaman-maistua/" rel="nofollow" >I wrote a short post about Valio.fi </a>some time ago. In the aftermath I got distracted and <a href="http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&amp;q=valio&amp;btnG=Google-haku&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=" rel="nofollow" >Googled Valio</a> (people do strange thing when trying to work).</p>
<p>When going through the results <strong>something caught my eye</strong>, <a href="http://www.gefilus.fi" rel="nofollow" >Gefilus</a>. Google result looks like this:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.gefilus.fi/" rel="nofollow" class="l" onmousedown="return clk(this.href,'','','res','12','')" ><em>Valio</em></a></p>
<div class="s">Sivusto vaatii toimiakseen selaimen joka tukee freimejä. Ole hyvä ja päivitä selaimesi.<br />
<cite>www.gefilus.fi/ &#8211; 2k &#8211; </cite><span class="gl"><a href="http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:xbI59OVBNAsJ:www.gefilus.fi/+valio&amp;cd=12&amp;hl=fi&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=fi" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="return clk(this.href,'','','clnk','12','')" >Välimuistissa</a> &#8211; <a href="http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&amp;q=related:www.gefilus.fi/" rel="nofollow" >Samankaltaisia sivuja</a></span></div>
<div class="s"><span class="gl"><br />
</span></div>
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<p><strong>Yes</strong>, you say,<strong> and then what</strong>, you continue.</p>
<p>Well yes. <strong>Gefilus </strong>is a Valio product line in which all <strong>dairy products</strong> include <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactobacillus_rhamnosus" rel="nofollow" >Lactobacillus GG Bacteria</a> and should be healhty for each and every one of us.</p>
<p><strong>Now, that&#8217;s not the point</strong>.<br />
The point is <a href="http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&amp;q=gefilus&amp;btnG=Hae&amp;meta=" rel="nofollow" >the Google result for Gefilus</a> which looks exactly like above. (They even have bought a Google Sponsored link to tell what the hell this is all about!)</p>
<p><strong>Why all this?</strong></p>
<p>Finnish text at Google result says (in english):<br />
&#8220;This site requires a browser that supports frames to work. Please upgrade your browser.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>My browser</strong>? Oh yes, newest Firefox.</p>
<p><strong>Google&#8217;s browser</strong>? Why that&#8217;s a whole different matter &#8211; and believe me or not, it&#8217;s not <a href="http://www.google.com/chrome" rel="nofollow" >Chrome</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Google has no eyes or ears</strong>. It doesn&#8217;t support <strong>Flash </strong>or <strong>frames </strong>properly (and it&#8217;s not even supposed to, IMHO). (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_bot" rel="nofollow" >See Wikipedia on Web Crawlers for more information.</a>)</p>
<p>And as <strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googlebot" rel="nofollow" >Googlebot</a>,</strong> Google&#8217;s search robot (or web crawler), doesn&#8217;t support frames, the only content Gefilus.fi shows to Bot is the (in principle properly used, mind you) <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/frames.html#h-16.4.1" rel="nofollow" >&lt;noframes&gt; -element</a> and it&#8217;s content.</p>
<p>Thus the <strong>awkward Google result</strong>.</p>
<h2>Conclusions</h2>
<ul>
<li>If you still use <strong>frames at 2009</strong>, do use the <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/frames.html#h-16.4.1" rel="nofollow" >&lt;noframes&gt; -element</a>.</li>
<li>&#8230; and if you use the noframes-element, put some meaningful content in it, because <strong>that may be everything the allmighty Google sees.</strong></li>
<li>&#8230; and if it&#8217;s not in Google,<strong> it doesn&#8217;t exist, does it?</strong></li>
<li><strong>&#8230;</strong>which leads me to wonder what the hell  the ad agency behind Gefilus.fi thought when doing all this? (Flash, frames, page titles (whole Gefilus.fi is named &#8220;Valio&#8221; according to HTML)).<br />
Looks <strong>pretty</strong>, yeah, <strong>contents are fine </strong>but what about the technical side?</li>
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<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2009/05/the-power-of-feedback-gefilus-once-again/' rel='bookmark' title='The Power of Feedback (Gefilus, once again)'>The Power of Feedback (Gefilus, once again)</a></li>
<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2009/03/valiofi-anna-elaman-maistua/' rel='bookmark' title='Valio.fi &#8211; anna elämän maistua.'>Valio.fi &#8211; anna elämän maistua.</a></li>
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		<title>So I Took the Survey.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ilkka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I took the survey (A List Apart survey for people who make websites). And although I don&#8217;t currently do web sites for living, I do consider myself a web professional, too. Do take the survey! (Don&#8217;t seem to find option for uploading pictures to WordPress if they&#8217;re not in a posting/page. Does it exist?) [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I took <a href="http://alistapart.com/articles/survey2008" rel="nofollow" >the survey</a> (<a href="http://alistapart.com/" rel="nofollow" >A List Apart</a> <a href="http://alistapart.com/articles/survey2008" rel="nofollow" >survey for people who make websites</a>). And although I don&#8217;t currently do web sites for living, I do consider myself a <strong>web professional</strong>, too.</p>
<div id="attachment_112" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 190px"><a href="http://alistapart.com/articles/survey2008" rel="nofollow" ><img class="size-full wp-image-112" title="i-took-the-2008-survey" src="http://kaikuvuo.com/ippe/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/i-took-the-2008-survey.gif" alt="I Took the survey (A list apart survey for people who make websites)" width="180" height="46" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">I Took the survey (A list apart survey for people who make websites)</p></div>
<p><strong>Do take the <a href="http://alistapart.com/articles/survey2008" rel="nofollow" >survey</a>!</strong></p>
<p>(Don&#8217;t seem to find option for uploading pictures to WordPress if they&#8217;re not in a posting/page. Does it exist?)</p>
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<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2008/07/helsinki-un-and-certain-surveys/' rel='bookmark' title='Helsinki, UN and Certain Surveys.'>Helsinki, UN and Certain Surveys.</a></li>
<li><a href='http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2009/07/links-for-2009-07-28/' rel='bookmark' title='links for 2009-07-28'>links for 2009-07-28</a></li>
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