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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote a short post about Valio.fi some time ago. In the aftermath I got distracted and Googled Valio (people do strange thing when trying to work). When going through the results something caught my eye, Gefilus. Google result looks like this: Valio Sivusto vaatii toimiakseen selaimen joka tukee freimejä. Ole hyvä ja päivitä selaimesi. [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://ilkka.kaikuvuo.com/2009/03/valiofi-anna-elaman-maistua/">I wrote a short post about Valio.fi </a>some time ago. In the aftermath I got distracted and <a href="http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&amp;q=valio&amp;btnG=Google-haku&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=">Googled Valio</a> (people do strange thing when trying to work).</p>
<p>When going through the results <strong>something caught my eye</strong>, <a href="http://www.gefilus.fi">Gefilus</a>. Google result looks like this:</p>
<blockquote><p><a class="l" onmousedown="return clk(this.href,'','','res','12','')" href="http://www.gefilus.fi/"><em>Valio</em></a></p>
<div class="s">Sivusto vaatii toimiakseen selaimen joka tukee freimejä. Ole hyvä ja päivitä selaimesi.<br />
<cite>www.gefilus.fi/ &#8211; 2k &#8211; </cite><span class="gl"><a onmousedown="return clk(this.href,'','','clnk','12','')" href="http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:xbI59OVBNAsJ:www.gefilus.fi/+valio&amp;cd=12&amp;hl=fi&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=fi">Välimuistissa</a> &#8211; <a href="http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&amp;q=related:www.gefilus.fi/">Samankaltaisia sivuja</a></span></div>
<div class="s"><span class="gl"><br />
</span></div>
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<p><strong>Yes</strong>, you say,<strong> and then what</strong>, you continue.</p>
<p>Well yes. <strong>Gefilus </strong>is a Valio product line in which all <strong>dairy products</strong> include <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactobacillus_rhamnosus">Lactobacillus GG Bacteria</a> and should be healhty for each and every one of us.</p>
<p><strong>Now, that&#8217;s not the point</strong>.<br />
The point is <a href="http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&amp;q=gefilus&amp;btnG=Hae&amp;meta=">the Google result for Gefilus</a> which looks exactly like above. (They even have bought a Google Sponsored link to tell what the hell this is all about!)</p>
<p><strong>Why all this?</strong></p>
<p>Finnish text at Google result says (in english):<br />
&#8220;This site requires a browser that supports frames to work. Please upgrade your browser.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>My browser</strong>? Oh yes, newest Firefox.</p>
<p><strong>Google&#8217;s browser</strong>? Why that&#8217;s a whole different matter &#8211; and believe me or not, it&#8217;s not <a href="http://www.google.com/chrome">Chrome</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Google has no eyes or ears</strong>. It doesn&#8217;t support <strong>Flash </strong>or <strong>frames </strong>properly (and it&#8217;s not even supposed to, IMHO). (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_bot">See Wikipedia on Web Crawlers for more information.</a>)</p>
<p>And as <strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googlebot">Googlebot</a>,</strong> Google&#8217;s search robot (or web crawler), doesn&#8217;t support frames, the only content Gefilus.fi shows to Bot is the (in principle properly used, mind you) <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/frames.html#h-16.4.1">&lt;noframes&gt; -element</a> and it&#8217;s content.</p>
<p>Thus the <strong>awkward Google result</strong>.</p>
<h2>Conclusions</h2>
<ul>
<li>If you still use <strong>frames at 2009</strong>, do use the <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/frames.html#h-16.4.1">&lt;noframes&gt; -element</a>.</li>
<li>&#8230; and if you use the noframes-element, put some meaningful content in it, because <strong>that may be everything the allmighty Google sees.</strong></li>
<li>&#8230; and if it&#8217;s not in Google,<strong> it doesn&#8217;t exist, does it?</strong></li>
<li><strong>&#8230;</strong>which leads me to wonder what the hell  the ad agency behind Gefilus.fi thought when doing all this? (Flash, frames, page titles (whole Gefilus.fi is named &#8220;Valio&#8221; according to HTML)).<br />
Looks <strong>pretty</strong>, yeah, <strong>contents are fine </strong>but what about the technical side?</li>
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